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 Post subject: JEWEL OF THE SEA
PostPosted: July 15th, 2009, 4:27 pm 
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Hi
I am buying in Jewel of the Sea. Does anybody know if construction has restarted.Did they get environmental certicate.
I haven't bank quarantee
VFI have pulled out and now Giambrone are to be prosecuted.
Not a happy state of affairs.

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PostPosted: July 16th, 2009, 12:10 pm 
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Hi Mike,
I live in Ireland,no, build has not started back up. The council have postponed meeting with builder re:building permit until Sept.
Still no legally valid BLG and our solicitor is to be prosecuted!!!!
Under Ilalian Law the builder has broken the contract,but the advice from all
professionals is not to sue him but if the purchaser does not complete with
this null & void contract we are deem to have broken the contract ,can't
make sence of this situation but the gloves are going on now.
Very angery now, along with alot of other Irish purchasers.
We have set up a Support Group for information please PM me.
We would also apreciate any advice from other purchasers in development
with similar problems or anyone with legal knowledge of the liabilities of
agents & builders and an outline of the procedures on how to sue.
JOTS.info site was set up but they have a gagging policy if anyone is
speaking their mind,somethjng wrong there!!!!


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PostPosted: July 16th, 2009, 6:38 pm 
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Holly wrote:
Hi Mike,
I live in Ireland,no, build has not started back up. The council have postponed meeting with builder re:building permit until Sept.
Still no legally valid BLG and our solicitor is to be prosecuted!!!!
Under Ilalian Law the builder has broken the contract,but the advice from all
professionals is not to sue him but if the purchaser does not complete with
this null & void contract we are deem to have broken the contract ,can't
make sence of this situation but the gloves are going on now.
Very angery now, along with alot of other Irish purchasers.
We have set up a Support Group for information please PM me.
We would also apreciate any advice from other purchasers in development
with similar problems or anyone with legal knowledge of the liabilities of
agents & builders and an outline of the procedures on how to sue.
JOTS.info site was set up but they have a gagging policy if anyone is
speaking their mind,somethjng wrong there!!!!



Where's the JOTS info site gone Holly?


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PostPosted: July 17th, 2009, 12:36 am 
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Did'nt know it was gone,Park1


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PostPosted: July 20th, 2009, 12:02 pm 
It is back on minus a picture of a certain individual,perhaps this forum was threatened also.Does anyone know who conducted the original legal due dilligence on this development.?


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PostPosted: July 22nd, 2009, 1:48 pm 
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Would'nt know who carried out original due diligence on site but in "Report on
Title" solicitors claimed to have independently carried out due diligence in
relation to all aspects of JOTS. I still can't manage to PM but feel free to
PM me with contact details,that goes for any purchasers in JOTS,as we would like to form a register of people who at this stage just want their
deposits back. The two BLG we received from the builder are not legally
valid,our deposits should never been handed over to the builder,thus making
our CONTRACT null & void,would be greatful for any advice on this matter.
Only advice so far has been not to bother sueing Builder,most of group have
reported solicitor (you can guess who) to LCS & SRA
A big Thank You to all on this site,for their help so far and a Big Sorry to
all who have and only want to hear Good News but really what can we do!!
Hears hopeing we can join you some day as Calabria and it's people are indeed wonderful.


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PostPosted: July 22nd, 2009, 3:21 pm 
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from one who hopefully will have good news in a few months, can i just say that i wish you all well with your case for justice, I really hope that you all get your money back, plus interest.


I too hope that you will be able to Join the rest of us(hopefully) in sunny Calabria,
Diane


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PostPosted: July 22nd, 2009, 6:07 pm 
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JOTS is going ahead as planned. The only problem is that there has been a delay in the decision on planning permission. This will be granted in September and JOTS will be back on track to be completed by December 2010.

There has also been a statement put across by G & L in the "www.jewelofthesea.info" forum. I dont think there is anything major to worry about as the builder will be the biggest looser if it doesnt go ahead.

G & L has also implied in their statement that some buyers want their deposit back due to the world recession and may be looking to blame everyone involved with the project to get their deposit back. (By the way, I am not a fan of G & L )

Its clear by looking at the forum in WWW.JEWELOFTHESEA.INFO that nearly all purchasers of Jewel of the sea are looking forward to the decision of the regional council in September 2009 and looking forward to JOTS completing in December 2010 to enjoy their place of their dream.

diane wrote:
from one who hopefully will have good news in a few months, can i just say that i wish you all well with your case for justice, I really hope that you all get your money back, plus interest.


I too hope that you will be able to Join the rest of us(hopefully) in sunny Calabria,
Diane


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PostPosted: July 23rd, 2009, 12:57 am 
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Correct me if I'm wrong,should there not be planning permission in place BEFORE the build commences? so to say there is ONLY a delay in same,is an understatement. Purchasers in JOTS have been waiting since promised date
in June,for the meeting to take place between council and builder and at that
we were told that it was just a matter of a stamp ,to date this did not happen,there is yet another date set for Sept.
If London37, you were other than a purchaser giving your guarantee that my
dream will come true and the builder issued a valid BLG to protect my deposit,instead of the 2 legally invalid BLG's he deceived us with(don't tell me
that no solicitor of all parties involved could recognise a legally valid BLG) I
might have some faith.
As for the statement from Mr Giambrone that purchasers due to financial
pressures may be looking to blame everyone involved with the project to get their deposits back,THIS is a cop-out for his neglegence in not making sure
that his clients were protected and that the other parties involved (Builder)
complied with Italian Law.
There is nobody wishes more than myself that JOTS would be completed as I purchased in good faith and have the money comfortably to complete but
with out a proper guarantee from the builder I feel I'm been taken for a fool.
www,jewelofthesea.info site,does not represent the majority of purchasers.
The site barred me from posting (as a genuine purchaser) my views/opinions
on the conduct of the builder and the major solicitor dealing with this development,they did not want any negativity getting back to the builder or
the fact that we were legally entitled to sue him would not be entertained.
So its no wonder that all posts are very much of the mind that JOTS will be
completed but it is not a true reflection of many other purchasers,one of whom was denied access to login????
At present, in my situation,I'm on this forum for advice and support,both of which I have received, a big thanks to all, if I can be of help, please PM











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PostPosted: July 25th, 2009, 8:27 am 
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http://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/solicit ... 69.article


I hope most of the buyers did no use them


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PostPosted: July 27th, 2009, 9:59 pm 
To the best of my knowledge most did,the figure i have is around 400 but they are free to correct me if i am wrong!


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PostPosted: July 29th, 2009, 5:42 pm 
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Yes, I feel that the majority of buyers have used this particular law firm,glad to see the SRA are bringing them to task (a bit late for some buyers) so they won't be able to misguide any more unsuspecting clients but who is going to deal with the Italian developers who are building without legal permits and won't provide the buyers with legally valid BLG's,it's criminal.
On another thread,it was stated that all this negativity was going to put
new buyers off purchasing in developements that maybe need to sell more
units to complete but honestly I feel that forewarned is forearmed,and I
would not like anyone to end up in the same position as a lot of buyers.
Also it is now emerging that there are legal peoblems with developments
that are sold out and the buyers have completed on.
Afterall it is not the purchaser who has done anything wrong although hearing some on the forum,you'd think it was us that was bringing down
the name of Calabria and its people. We decided to buy here because
we fell in love with Calabria and its people.


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PostPosted: July 29th, 2009, 11:36 pm 
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London37,are you still of the POSITIVE opinion that JOTS is going ahead as planned,you must know now that there are people leading ye up the garden
path,now that solicitors are out of the way, there is no fall guy. You could
speak your mind on the JOTS.info site,as you said, once you said what they
wanted other purchasers to hear and yes if you were allowed to hear what
I was saying at the time ,this news would not be such a shock.


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PostPosted: July 30th, 2009, 8:45 pm 
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Holly wrote:
London37,are you still of the POSITIVE opinion that JOTS is going ahead as planned,you must know now that there are people leading ye up the garden
path,now that solicitors are out of the way, there is no fall guy. You could
speak your mind on the JOTS.info site,as you said, once you said what they
wanted other purchasers to hear and yes if you were allowed to hear what
I was saying at the time ,this news would not be such a shock.


I am usually very positive...Not anymore....You got me there well and good!..I honestly was under the impression that planning permission would be the only issue...sorry.
Please dont be offended by anything I said before...I was only quoting others.
I am however, a great supporter of www.jewelofthesea.info site for the great work they are doing and also bringing desperate buyers like me together.


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PostPosted: July 30th, 2009, 10:06 pm 
When all the major parties involved from the outset, ignore the correct planning procedures. and go ahead and build hundreds of individual units on what is no more than agricultural land ,there will always be problems.The change of usage and destination of land we all very much hope, will be changed.but much of this development clearly in my view sould not have been built let alone marketed and sold,how these companies can masquerade as property and legal professionals, is beyond me.


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PostPosted: July 30th, 2009, 10:34 pm 
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I cannot imagine that JOTS will not go ahead eventually. I visited the site with VFI in June 2008 when looking for a property and cannot imagine that with the vast site that had been cleared of vegetation, the different levels carved out from the hillside and huge concrete retaining walls that have been built that this site will just be left to go back to nature.
There appears to be a huge number of problems to be resolved before planning will be given and it could take years. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later for those who have already paid money up front, good luck.
Just for your information I did not consider buying there and purchased on a completed devlopment after looking at numerous 'off plan' developments. There is no doubt that buying after completion or partially built can be more expensive but you get what you see and a lot less hassle.


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PostPosted: July 31st, 2009, 10:12 pm 
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No offence taken London37,we've all been taken for a ride. I've been speaking to Neil and he did offer to " reinstate " me but I've declined as I
really feel that JOTS( or what ever the jokers on the site are calling it now)
will not get planning and as for BLG,s ,the builder needs funds to build before any bank or insurance company will cover him,he also needs planning permission for the build,is that so hard for people to understand. Also a statement saying that G/L & RDV made no money so far,just leaves me
scraching my head. Ah I could go on & on & on.
Investor500,said it all


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Holly wrote:
a statement saying that G/L & RDV made no money so far,just leaves me scraching my head.


Could you expand on this a bit please Holly?


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PostPosted: August 1st, 2009, 5:14 pm 
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If you would like to PM me,Park1


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Can anyone confirm or reject that the first stage of Jewel of the sea is built I was told it was but also told it wasn't ,has anything been built there any info appreciated
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There is no building complete on JOTS,work was reported to have restarted
on "beachfront" last week,if you can believe that? there is no building
permit for "Ruby" "Emerald". Contract are null & void ,re: PP & invalid BLG's.


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Thanks for that I am sorry for those who have been cheated
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just drove by jewel of the sea yesterday, i have to say it is all abandoned,to make it worse the fences that where in front have most of the them been damaged and there seems to be families of immigrants camping on the site.

the beach front ones there is nobody on site and its just seems like a ghost town. I stopped in one of the bars in galatti and they said there was no construction in 9 months and that he the owner had invested in improvements on the bar because thinking of jewel of the sea but the towns people are very mad......

Its really a shame and the companies that have worked in this project should go to jail for all these false dreams they provided to these clients. Also what I find more strange is some agencies that still promote jewel of the sea and other products from the original vendor knowing what they have done to more than 400 families back in UK and Ireland.


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Thanks for the news now I realise my friends have been looking on the internet at what has been built but they do not realise building has stopped I agree there needs to be some justice in this scenario they cannot be allowed to get away with it ..
I am sure the people of Calabria do not want this corruption to be allowed for their region will suffer and the majority are good kind people also those of us who have been lucky to get our apartments do not want the area to be corrupted .
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PostPosted: September 8th, 2009, 11:30 am 
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Ripoff

Thanks for your comment regarding Jewelof the sea

We have various buyers of Jewelofthesea visiting the site regularly and reporting back to rest of the buyers. As from 1st September,all those buyers who visited the site have all confirmed workers working on Beachfront...and the beachfront may even be completed by end of this year. Infact there are workers working on beachfront right now. The workers use campcars to have their lunch and breaks.
None of the buyers of Jewelofthesea who has visited the site from 1st of september has stated what you are saying.


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London37,
Where is the webcam that was promised ?


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PostPosted: September 8th, 2009, 1:53 pm 
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London 37,

I am not a buyer at jewel of the sea or part of any organization here in calabria i just have lived here for many years in the soverato area...

the thing is that makes me get angry :evil: is when i drive thru brancaleone and other areas of calabria and it makes me mad because none of these companies takes fault or no responsibility for selling dreams to these people promising the world taking them in 3 days tours, putting them in fancy hotels and dining out in the best restaurants, showing them figures that they will make there money back in 3 to 5 years and etc....

I know this because I had a very good friend of mine get caught in one of these sales pitches and he lost all of his savings on false promises...that things where going to be built and the all the stories about the owner coming and talking to you how they have been in the business for many years and etc...its all a pitch...

I do not blame the sales people or people that work in there offices I blame the owners,lawyers and the laws that let things like this happen.

For me when they said back in 2005 that there was going to be people from the Uk and Ireland buying here I was very happy, I tought the place was going to pick up and investment to the area would be great.

But now all I see is companies folding,bankrupt, and people suffering thru all of this.

The only good thing for new buyers is that you have decent companies out there, they might be small and not pay for dinners or hotels...but the client makes his decision on real facts not numbers ..companies such as Incalabria,Real calabrian properties, scalea properties..just to name a few that do the right thing and not what others do...

Now going back to Jewel of the Sea lets be frank with one another, I drive thru there maybe 3 times a month to do things in reggio...maybe i was at siesta time for the last 9 months but i have not seen any workers at all, now i might be true and there might be some workers in the beach phase(have not seen them yet), but that is only i do not know 20 apts?...what about 400 others on the land side??? what about the golf course? what about the club house? what about the commercial center? what about the 5 pools? anyway..I am hoping you are right and the building will happen because it would be great for the region.

But I just wanted to put my point across on what I see...and I hope all you buyers either from vfi, mri, pgi and medsea and etc...do get your money back...if this does not come thru.

Regards,

Rippoff and my real name because I am not scared of saying is Charles Abott from South Africa and if anybody wants to go for a drink here in soverato pm me! cheers!


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PostPosted: September 8th, 2009, 3:19 pm 
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Rippoff

We have confirmation that workers are only working on the beachfront currently. This zone should be completed by end of this year.
I am glad you think Jewel of the Sea will be great for the region. How long have you been living in Calabria? Hopefully the whole project will be completed by end of year 2010.
Hoping the work on the other side will start very soon. Just waiting for a rubber stamp by end of this month or next month, before work can start on those.
I know the work on the golf course is destined to start in year 2010.

Holly
I agree, webcam would be nice. Hoping they will get it working again soon.


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I drive thru there maybe 3 times a month to do things in reggio


Out of curiosity, I always assume that it's better going over the top from Gioiosa Ionica to the A3 to Reggio. Isn't the east coast route much slower?


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you are right it is slower but, i have to do some stops in Bianco....


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Hi Ripoff,
Have you seen any progerss on the Palmview site in Brancalone on your travels???

Regards
Trevor

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you are right it is slower but, i have to do some stops in Bianco....


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Hi Trevor,

I have and also is in the same situation, no workers onsite, it seems like they started last year and just stopped...sorry to say....ill be crossing again on the 22nd of this month and i will take pictures for everybody so they can see that I am not making this up.

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Hi any chance get some pics of Sea Hills in Brancaleone - unlikely to be anynore work on this site also - but would be great to find out.


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Rippoff,
I for one don't doubt a word you are saying,thank you for keeping us
informed,pictures would be great.
I'm a JOTS or Joke of the Sea buyer.


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This seems to have been going on for so long now surely the completion date has been and gone and you could in theory get your money back?


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Hi Ionan,
Original completion date 31st Dec 09,it has now gone to Dec 2010!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: September 11th, 2009, 1:39 am 
The majority of the money in my view has already been well spent, most notably in huge commisions that have already been paid out to the would be developers VFI, Personally i cannot see them coming back to help build it,even if it had the correct planning permissions, which we now know it never had, aparently Antonio Velardo according to his blog is one of the richest men in Italy.If this is the truth would it not be "just" this person refund some of the monies taken for properties that have not been built


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If the completion date was 09 and is now 10 on what basis did they move it, is it in the terms of the contract? I would get a good lawyer to check the terms to see if there is a get out clause on non completion. They cannot keep putting the completion date off it is against the basic contract principle.


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Do not worry I will take pics for you guys on at the end of the month and keep you posted. For the projects in brancalone...its no problem at all....


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investor500 wrote:
As for that forum Jewel of the sea info group, personally i think it is a total sham.

If the owner/moderator of that forum is seeking to "control" either the agenda, the information or the opinions of the buyers, then as Holly earlier suggested, there is a very big problem and you may need to assess in whose interests this forum has been set up.


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The forum Jewel of the Sea info is not a sham at all, and has been set up voluntarily by a buyer who wanted to give all purchasers at JOTS the opportunity to exchange views and information openly with each other and is therefore only accessible by buyers whose details have been verified as genuine puchasers. Clearly the problems can be better addressed if we act together, can easily be informed of developments, and coordinate our efforts. The moderator/owner of the forum has put an enourmous amount of time and work into bringing buyers together, which has certainly been hugely reassuring for me and many others, when we have been so badly let down by many of those involved.


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www,jewelofthesea.info site,does not represent the majority of purchasers.
The site barred me from posting (as a genuine purchaser) my views/opinions
on the conduct of the builder and the major solicitor dealing with this development,they did not want any negativity getting back to the builder or
the fact that we were legally entitled to sue him would not be entertained.
So its no wonder that all posts are very much of the mind that JOTS will be
completed but it is not a true reflection of many other purchasers,one of whom was denied access to login????
At present, in my situation,I'm on this forum for advice and support,both of which I have received, a big thanks to all, if I can be of help, please PM

Clearly Gracie the opportunity to "exchange views and information openly with each other" is not the case, unless you are questioning Holly's word.

With the accusation that the forum is a "sham", perhaps now would be a good time for the owner/moderators to issue a statement to its members clarifying their position and the reasons why certain members are or have been restricted from posting before it really starts losing credibility.


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PostPosted: September 11th, 2009, 7:59 pm 
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As the moderator of http://www.jewelofthesea.info I have become aware of the accusations levelled at me by a small number of posters on this thread. I run the website quite openly and my idendity is known to all as it disclosed on the 'about us' page. I have bought two properties on the development Beachfront One number 255 and Diamond Villa 5. This is common knowledge.

The function of the moderator of any site is to moderate behaviour and that is all I have done on Jewelofthesea.info. I cannot control the agenda as members can create their own topics, nor do I want to. As my idendity is known and as I have put my head well above the parapet it is my prerogative as moderator of the website to protect myself, my family and other posters from litigation, or even worse. Unfortunately, there has been a small number of cases where the content of posts breached the rules of the site by a great margin and in the process compromised the aims of the website and everyone connected with it. These rules were agreed by the members when they joined up, they are available for public view and are quite specific about unacceptable behaviour and language. We always issue a warning by private mail when there is a breach of the rules and this is normally accepted by the buyers as good housekeeping. In a couple of instances regretably it has been misconstrued as something else but there is little I can do about that.

Whereas unacceptable language and libelous comments are not tolerated on the forum there is no control whatsoever over buyers voicing their opinions - no matter how diverse. If you are an existing buyer and visit our forum you will know that to be true.

The website can only continue to be effective in its present form if our lines of communication with the developer remain intact and this is clearly laid out in our aims and objectives on the front page where we state that our intention is to improve levels of communication between the buyers themselves and the parties connected with JOTS. It will become patently obvious to everyone eventually if we are flogging a dead horse and the purpose of the website will then change by general consensus. We have not reached that point yet and I believe the vast majority of buyers on JOTS would agree.

Emotions are running high and each one of us manages these emotions in our own way. My way, for better or worse, was to build a website that would encourage transparency, others feel that a friendly forum where they can express their fears with like-minded buyers is just the ticket, but there will always be a percentage whose instincts are to turn on their own in a counter-productive manner from the relative safety of anonymity. I am old enough and ugly enough to have realised that from the outset. It is annoying, but I can live with it.


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PostPosted: September 11th, 2009, 9:44 pm 
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Lavender wrote:
Holly wrote:

www,jewelofthesea.info site,does not represent the majority of purchasers.
The site barred me from posting (as a genuine purchaser) my views/opinions
on the conduct of the builder and the major solicitor dealing with this development,they did not want any negativity getting back to the builder or
the fact that we were legally entitled to sue him would not be entertained.
So its no wonder that all posts are very much of the mind that JOTS will be
completed but it is not a true reflection of many other purchasers,one of whom was denied access to login????
At present, in my situation,I'm on this forum for advice and support,both of which I have received, a big thanks to all, if I can be of help, please PM

Clearly Gracie the opportunity to "exchange views and information openly with each other" is not the case, unless you are questioning Holly's word.

With the accusation that the forum is a "sham", perhaps now would be a good time for the owner/moderators to issue a statement to its members clarifying their position and the reasons why certain members are or have been restricted from posting before it really starts losing credibility.


Well Lavender, between you and Holly you both appear to be rather fatuous in your views. Many of the users of the 'jewelofthesea' site engage in more strategic thinking, realising that whilst the situation is not ideal and clearly wish the completion to be more precipitous. However, through incompetence and lack of experience our due diligence has not been satisfactorily conducted. We therefore discuss means and ways to circumvent the problems, most of which are political, in order to come to a positive conclusion. The short straw of course - is the time this will take. I can assure you, throwing toys out of the proverbial pram and suing, is not going to be remotely swift. Equally your cynicism is astoundingly sad. I do wish you both luck, it seems you appear to be in need of it more than most.


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PostPosted: September 11th, 2009, 11:26 pm 
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And the "Best of Luck" to you two,
Regards Holly


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Well 2noels, circumventing the problems is what has got you into the precarious position you now find yourself in but I am very pleased to hear that many of the users of the jewelofthesea site are engaged in strategic thinking because that means that you will have looked very closely at the broader picture and almost certainly identified the relatively simple solution to a very complex situation, which benefits the builder, the buyers and the region as a whole.

However, when a experienced poster such as “investor500”, who incidentally I have never seen display any type of unacceptable behaviour or language, comes onto the Incalabria forum and suggests that the jewelonthesea site is a sham, it leads me to conclude that perhaps you haven’t and I can now see why. Call me cynical, astoundingly sad, call me what you like, it doesn’t worry me one jot because it is my cynicism which has kept my money in my back pocket. The same cannot be said for you.

I wish you the very best of luck in your endeavour to find the right solution as the success or failure of Jewel of the Sea will ultimately impact on all members of this site who are buyers in the region.


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PostPosted: September 12th, 2009, 3:19 pm 
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Lavender,
I can assure you that I never displayed any type of unacceptable behaviour
or bad language on any forum including jots.info.
I just wanted to buy into the Italian dream not a nightmare, now I want
back only whats mine and thats my deposit. I don't feel that is unreasonable
of me,after all the facts are the contract does not protect the buyer,it breaches both Italian and EU law,the BLG does not provide adequate protection of our deposits and the Due diligence was not carried out properly
on our behalf,yes this all escaped us because of the negligence of our solicitor (who we can deal with through the LCS/SRA) but the builder signed
this contract and I bet if I breached the contract,he would be sueing me.


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Whilst I appreciate that the JOTS web site is primarily for the purchasers I find it a bit odd that you cannot access general info on the property. ( I tried and failed apologies if you can)
Why not set it up as we have here, a members section and a general info section.
If you want to inspire confidence that the place is going ahead you should be able to access the relevant thread, ie the beachfront which is meant to be being built again to a prospective purchaser?
Just muse from yours truly. As a general comment I will believe it when I see it!
I look forward to seeing the photos at the end of the month.


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I was just going back through my emails and came across an email from the Irish agents I first contacted re: the purchase of my apt in JOTS.
Its dated 3rd of Aug,here's an interesting extract -
"We have just become aware that there is now an email circulating from an internet forum regarding RDV's current situation. RDV have not been in contact with us about this and we have no further knowledge on it. We are surprised if RDV have contacted an internet website forum to send out an important message to their customers as once you sign a contract all information should be transmitted to you via your solicitor"


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Hi Holly, judging from your postings on this forum, I never for one moment thought that you had displayed any unacceptable behaviour or language. The control, and the reasons why your posts were barred, clearly lies in the aims and the objectives of that forum which limit discussion to improving levels of communication between the buyers themselves and the parties connected with JOTS, which may not be in your best interests given the situation and particularly if either the lawyer or the developer is seeking to communicate with you as an group and not as individual buyers, via the forum. The jewelofthesea site has clearly lost two valuable members in yourself and investor500 as you have demonstrated that you have a much better understanding of the issues and the situation as it stands.

I certainly know how it feels to lose the Italian dream and so you have my sympathies, hopefully you wont let the experience cloud your dreams of owning a holiday home in the future.

I wish you the very best of luck in your endeavour to get your deposit money back.


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